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RaabTheGuru · Feb 16, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Ok, I don't know how much of a noob this will make me sound, but here it goes.

I'm wondering about the mods on weapons that say "Halves casting time of spells" and "Halves recharge times of SPELLS". Does this mean any spells for any class? Or does this mean only spells associated with whatever type of weapon?

For instance, I'm running an orders necromancer, which is blood magic. Instead of using a Koles Torment which has 10% chance for both Casting time and Recharge, I'm thinking of using The Shadestone, which has 10% casting time, and Gorrels Cane, which has 10% Casting and Recharge, thus making my casting time 20% and my Recharge 10%......

Would this benefit me, or would I only get the bonus from Gorrels Cane for Illusion Magic spells, since thats what the weapon requires? I have tested it but I can't really tell any difference, because its all random chance basically to get a faster recharge or cast rate.

The reason I'm asking is because I have other weapons which say "Halves casting time of CURSES spells" or "....of Healing Prayers", so would a weapon or offhand with a universal casting and recharge boost every type of skill?

I hope this made some kind of sense.

Savio · Feb 16, 2006, 05:40 PM // 17:40

If it doesn't specify a specific line of spells, then yes, it affects any spell.

RaabTheGuru · Feb 16, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Cool, thanks.

RotteN · Feb 16, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

note though, that recharge/casting speed bonusses don't just "add up".

two times 10% will not give you 20% recharge, but 19% (mathematics), yes, that's not much of a difference, but it does get bigger. 2 times 20% will only give 36%, not 40% (note, 20% faster recharge/casting is only available with a restriction to one line of spells (for example, for blood magic spells only) while 10% is the max for a global bonus affecting every spell)

RaabTheGuru · Feb 16, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by RotteN

note though, that recharge/casting speed bonusses don't just "add up".

two times 10% will not give you 20% recharge, but 19% (mathematics), yes, that's not much of a difference, but it does get bigger. 2 times 20% will only give 36%, not 40%

Huh, how's that work out? I'm not dumb, but if you have 2 items equipped that give you 10% faster recharge, isn't that 10% chance + 10% chance? Or is it 10% chance + 10% chance that the additional 10% chance will be factored in?

Like I said I tested it, but it's pretty hard to keep track of how many times your skills are recharging twice as fast while in battle. I guess it dosen't really make as much of a difference as I thought it would. 20% chance still sucks.

Rancour · Feb 16, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

As far as I can see, two items with 10% chance would be 20%. I understand what RotteN is saying, but in this case, I think the most obvious applies: just multiply the chances.

Say you cast 100 spells. If you only had one item with the 10% mod, 10 of the spells would be affected. Now, imagine we had two of these items. 10 of the spells will be affected by, say, the off-hand weapon, leaving the main-hand's 10% chance quota alone. Now, the next 10 spells would be affected by the main-hands 10% quota. Therefore, 20% of the spells would be affected; 10 + 10 = 20

I fail to see where the "10% of 10%"-thing RotteN is talking comes into play. Also, IF RotteN's idea is right, it would mean that something like 100% + 100% would only give 130% (or something, I didn't take the time to figure it out). The point is, it sounds irrational to me to assume that the percentage decreases like that, even if 100% mods don't exist, thank god. But please, correct me if I'm wrong.

Snowduck · Feb 16, 2006, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Say you cast 100 spells. If you only had one item with the 10% mod, 10 of the spells would be affected. Now, imagine we had two of these items. 10 of the spells will be affected by, say, the off-hand weapon, leaving the main-hand's 10% chance quota alone. Now, the next 10 spells would be affected by the main-hands 10% quota. Therefore, 20% of the spells would be affected; 10 + 10 = 20

This is where your math goes a bit wonky. 100 spells are cast, and 10% (10 spells) are affected by the first mod. That leaves only 90 to get checked against the second item. 10% of 90 is 9. That's where 19% comes from.

Each mod is checked in a discrete step. First one mod is checked, then anything which failed is passed to the next item for the second check.

Evade or block chances work the same way. Aegis + Guardian will never get up to 100% evasion, because one is checked, then the other is checked for any attack that got past the first one.

Rancour · Feb 16, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

Ahh, I see. Thank you for explaining that.

Still, that last 1% won't make that much of a difference, but hey, you're right; you DO lose 1%.

Savio · Feb 16, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Item % stacking. Stop making stuff up.

Feb 16, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34	#1
RaabTheGuru Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southern California Guild: Wizards Anomyous [WoA] Profession: N/Me	Serious Question... Ok, I don't know how much of a noob this will make me sound, but here it goes. I'm wondering about the mods on weapons that say "Halves casting time of spells" and "Halves recharge times of SPELLS". Does this mean any spells for any class? Or does this mean only spells associated with whatever type of weapon? For instance, I'm running an orders necromancer, which is blood magic. Instead of using a Koles Torment which has 10% chance for both Casting time and Recharge, I'm thinking of using The Shadestone, which has 10% casting time, and Gorrels Cane, which has 10% Casting and Recharge, thus making my casting time 20% and my Recharge 10%...... Would this benefit me, or would I only get the bonus from Gorrels Cane for Illusion Magic spells, since thats what the weapon requires? I have tested it but I can't really tell any difference, because its all random chance basically to get a faster recharge or cast rate. The reason I'm asking is because I have other weapons which say "Halves casting time of CURSES spells" or "....of Healing Prayers", so would a weapon or offhand with a universal casting and recharge boost every type of skill? I hope this made some kind of sense.

Feb 16, 2006, 05:40 PM // 17:40	#2
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	If it doesn't specify a specific line of spells, then yes, it affects any spell. __________________ People are stupid.

Feb 16, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12	#9
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	Item % stacking. Stop making stuff up. __________________ People are stupid.

Feb 16, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44	#3
RaabTheGuru Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southern California Guild: Wizards Anomyous [WoA] Profession: N/Me	Cool, thanks.

Feb 16, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09	#4
RotteN Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: W/	note though, that recharge/casting speed bonusses don't just "add up". two times 10% will not give you 20% recharge, but 19% (mathematics), yes, that's not much of a difference, but it does get bigger. 2 times 20% will only give 36%, not 40% (note, 20% faster recharge/casting is only available with a restriction to one line of spells (for example, for blood magic spells only) while 10% is the max for a global bonus affecting every spell)

Feb 16, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59	#6
Rancour Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Camp Rancor (Rancour :D) Guild: I'm a free spirit (that's not what the guild is called, I just am) Profession: W/R	As far as I can see, two items with 10% chance would be 20%. I understand what RotteN is saying, but in this case, I think the most obvious applies: just multiply the chances. Say you cast 100 spells. If you only had one item with the 10% mod, 10 of the spells would be affected. Now, imagine we had two of these items. 10 of the spells will be affected by, say, the off-hand weapon, leaving the main-hand's 10% chance quota alone. Now, the next 10 spells would be affected by the main-hands 10% quota. Therefore, 20% of the spells would be affected; 10 + 10 = 20 I fail to see where the "10% of 10%"-thing RotteN is talking comes into play. Also, IF RotteN's idea is right, it would mean that something like 100% + 100% would only give 130% (or something, I didn't take the time to figure it out). The point is, it sounds irrational to me to assume that the percentage decreases like that, even if 100% mods don't exist, thank god. But please, correct me if I'm wrong.

Feb 16, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08	#8
Rancour Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Camp Rancor (Rancour :D) Guild: I'm a free spirit (that's not what the guild is called, I just am) Profession: W/R	Ahh, I see. Thank you for explaining that. Still, that last 1% won't make that much of a difference, but hey, you're right; you DO lose 1%.